Comments on: The Meaning of the Finger Pointing to the Moon

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By: Myrko

Myrko — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:20:02 +0000

Maybe what you are looking for is the recognition that there is more than thinking. “This thought” is then the finger pointing to the experience of no-thought, but awareness.

By: Sensual photography

Sensual photography — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:04:30 +0000

I am just starting to learn that thinking is used as a device to go beyond thinking, just as a thorn can be used to take another thorn from your finger. but what are some of the thoughts he uses to go beyond thought? The finger pointing to the moon, meaning the finger is considered indication of thoughts and the moon is the real thing, but what are the thoughts that the finger represents and dont the thoughts have to be positive?

By: Sharyce Arciaga

Sharyce Arciaga — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:17:44 +0000

The map is definitely not the territory. For some it can be really hard to separate the ego from spirit. First, one must recognize that the ego creates illusions that hurt and that spirit is love and truth.

By: Ned

Ned — Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:51:53 +0000

I think a particularly good spiritual teacher can find the quickest route from the pointer to the moon for any given student. That is a skill in itself. That may be a hidden benefit of blogging and social media: sudden enlightenment.

Great post.

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By: Tim

Tim — Sat, 06 Dec 2008 21:21:40 +0000

I just ran accross your blog and am impressed. Keep up the good work.

By: Flora Morris Brown, Ph.D.

Flora Morris Brown, Ph.D. — Sat, 06 Dec 2008 04:20:10 +0000

This is an awesome reminder of experiencing what is without the map. It’s a scary prospect until we pull back to the realization that we are spiritual beings have a human experience.

Thanks for sharing this.

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By: Evita

Evita — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:19:20 +0000

Hi Myrko!

Great post! I too read Eckhart and his ideas are so valuable, but so are many others master’s too. It is as you say, it ALL really comes down to experience. People want proof for it all and when they don’t feel what you feel they conclude that you must be wrong. But there is such an element of personal experience.

Now I take it all from within, whether spirituality or health, I connect with my inner spirit to figure out what resonates with my inner being (not ego) It has been an amazing tool so far, I never doubted that it would fail me ;)

That is why I like too when many writers write, “life is not about learning, but about remembering who we really are”.

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By: Logan

Logan — Thu, 27 Nov 2008 16:40:06 +0000

Very nice post! The ego wants to discuss and talk about the finger. If I listen to the ego it never comes to an end. I guess the point is to not listen.

By: Myrko

Myrko — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:10:52 +0000

I consider myself rather a sientific than a religious person. If you know the movie Contact with Jodie Foster (Scientist) and Matthew McConaughey (Priest)? I’ll go with the scientist. Knowledge or belief – both are maps, if you start to go beyond them and actually experience, you don’t need neither of them for it.

By: Gemma

Gemma — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:50:27 +0000

Fabulous post and so true … I often come across this when people ask me about my religious / spiritual beliefs and I’m trying to explain why I won’t tell them … it really isn’t a big secret but I really feel that as relevant as my ‘map’ is for me it doesn’t make it relevant for others. I drew my map from my own explorations, thats what makes it useful … however it is still just a map!

By: Miss MatchMaker

Miss MatchMaker — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 04:40:03 +0000

“The important step to Spiritual Awakening is dropping the map and experiencing what is without the map.” This is absolutely so very true! I often have to remind people to stop thinking and just do.

xoxo~

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By: Myrko

Myrko — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 02:27:48 +0000

Hey Stephen! That’s a good example. Here you can say reality is the ultimate arbiter of truth. Is health getting better? Are you feeling great? Then it works, thats the desired result. Everything else is of secondary interest.

The finger pointing to the moon is the ultimate expression to differentiate between experience and concept. Spirituality is not about concepts, it’s totally irrelevant, no not even that, it is getting in the way.

I read some reviews on “The Power of Now” on Amazon the other day. And half of them are saying “I don’t get it, that’s been said better in other books.” What happened is they as the reader tried to understand spirituality mentally. This is just impossible, because it is about inner experience. It is not about understanding. It’s not about the finger. :)

Thanks for a great comment Stephen.

By: Stephen

Stephen — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 01:44:45 +0000

Absolutely fantastic post! I recently had a conversation with a person about some of the health related information on my blog. They wanted references and approached the conversation as if health was an intellectual debate. I told them I understood the wish to see references and that I would send them some. Which I did and have since not heard a word.

I also tried to explain that the whole point of my blog was to present health information that is beyond the mainstream in the hope to spur others to take responsibility for their health. Force feeding people the sources of my information does nothing more then show them more of the same information. It does nothing for independent self-informing thought.

Health like spirituality is not an intellectual debate. To make the transition from poor health to good health one must actually do something. Health is a state of being. That state of being is the moon. The words on my blog just a finger pointing the way. All the scientific research in the world is pointless if one is in poor health and one continues to do what one always has done. Meanwhile points of order are debated. It strikes me as craziness and a hiding place for those who are not yet ready to face themselves and their problems.

Far too much we get caught up in examining the finger. As a result we don’t experience the light of the moon. As I say – fantastic post! :)

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